Photo: The Nat Geo Music Interview: BLK JKS
OCTOBER 13, 2009

The Nat Geo Music Interview: BLK JKS

Nat Geo Music Catches Up With South Africa's BLK JKS To Talk About Flying Zulus, District 9, and life After Robots.

Just in case you've been living under a rock, one of the most talked-about bands to emerge anywhere last year was BLK JKS - a South African four-piece that took rock's classic guitars-drums-n-bass lineup to some very strange and intense new places; and re-imagined what it meant to be make "African music" in the bargain.

Formed by guitarists Lindani Buthelezi and Mpumi Mcata - who grew up on the same block in Johannesburg's East Rand neighborhood - and rounded out by bassist Molefi Makananise and drummer Tshepang Ramoba, BLK JKS play new kind of post-prog guitar rock; full of dense textures, insistent rhythms and haunting, impressionistic lyrics, all filtered through a distinctly South African sensibility.

After the release of last year's Mystery EP they became indie rock heroes here in the States, knocking audiences flat at festivals all over the U.S. (most notably at Austin's SXSW conference earlier this Spring), and garnering critical acclaim from all comers.

Now BLK JKS are back with After Robots , the group's first full-length LP out this month on the Secretly Canadian label. Produced by Secret Machine's Brandon Flowers, and recorded in the chilly depths of an Indiana winter, After Robots finds BLK JKS at the top of their game, and ready to embrace whole new audiences.

So where does the new album's title, After Robots come from?

Lindani Buthelezi: In South Africa, a robot is what we call a traffic light, and when someone takes a minibus or a taxi, they tell the driver to stop 'after robot' to show where they want to get out. We just liked the way that it sounded.

So it's not an afro-futurist manifesto about what happens after intelligent robots take over the world?

Tshepang Ramoba: [laughs] Maybe if you want it to be. There's something for everybody.

Lindani Buthelezi: We like that it gets lost in translation a little bit. It's a very South African thing to say, but when you say "after robot" in a taxi in New York or London it sounds very funny, I promise you!

So what is After Robots all about?

Mpumi Mcata: I would say it's about a return to naturalness, about changing modes. The world is intersecting with itself, trying to shed the toxins and going back to organic ways of living and thinking... everything is connected... we're trying to get back to that state of naturalness.

Molefi Makananise: We have a very famous shaman in South Africa named Credo Mutwa, who says that children who get vaccinated are blocked from having visions later in life. This record was about unblocking our creative process, to recover things that have been lost and hidden.

Mpumi Mcata: In the Zulu language the world iZulu means the sky and the heavens and the Zulu are the people of the heavens. In the old days, Zulus could fly. We're trying to get back to that.

Through music?

Mpumi: Why not? [laughs]

Lindani: That naturalness translates into the new record waiting for moments of inspiration, recording the subconscious sound of Africa.

You guys recorded After Robots in Bloomington, IN, in the dead of winter. What was that like?

Tshepang: So cold! We went direct from summer to winter! Nobody told us how cold it was in Indiana! [laughs]

Mpumi: After Robots was recorded in three weeks. We could have taken longer and been more finicky with the recording, but we wanted to capture the moment and not lose the raw materials of inspiration.

Lindani: Time and space played a big factor in the recording of this record. Being away from the environment where the music was composed was an eye-opener and a very good move for the band. Really, we could have recorded it anywhere - in New York or London or Africa - but doing it in a small town really gave us focus.

Mpumi: Being in the studio this time was a little more visceral. We had more time to get into this album and be in the moment, but also more calculated. Mystery was recorded in a weekend, and this time we had room to stretch out - but not too much.

How was working with Brandon Flowers again?

Lindani: Really good, you know. Brandon is a great guy to work with for us. He can really flip and switch between two worlds; between Africa and the U.S. He knows how to get us excited, open us up, so that we can bring where we're from.

Mpumi: Brandon understands that we're all about vibes and naturalism and the energy of people. Brandon knows how to just let us be and not push us to get any particular sound. He just lets it all happen organically.

Brandon worked with you on Mystery, too, which was recorded at Electric Lady Studios in NYC... was it a big change going from there to Bloomington?

Mpumi: It's not about what studio you're in, it's what state you're in as a band, as a unit. For Mystery we'd been living with those songs for so long that we just let them all come out in a rush. For After Robots we didn't live with those songs for as long, but our playing together as band had really grown after so much touring.

Lindani: I take nothing away from either of those studios; both were what we needed at that time. But Electric Lady does have this amazing legacy, and that can knock you dead sometimes. Like you'll be focusing on just getting a part down on tape and then you see, like, "oh, this guitar pedal was used by Jimi Hendrix, and it still works". It's like Ka-pow! You're possessed by the spirit of Mr. Jimi.

Mpumi: It definitely sneaks up on you. When my sister died in 2005, I never cried. But at Electric Lady, I had these feelings that I wasn't able to process. It was an emotional short circuit.

You guys have been spending a lot of time in New York in the last year?

Lindani: Yeah, we've been enjoying New York a lot. Especially Brooklyn. It's kind of the same as Joburg, but bigger. And things work. There's WiFi everywhere and you don't have the same infrastructure problems like in South Africa. We're still getting ready for [The World Cup in] 2010, New York is already in the year 3000.

Let's back up a bit... How did you guys first get together?

Mpumi: We're just four brethrens who met at the right time and decided to pick up instruments at the same time... the rest happened in a very spontaneous way.

Molefi: We first met thousands of years ago on another planet that has yet to be discovered. We came here at the invitation of a number of souls, to meet with a Zulu shaman who lives in the mountains of South Africa to discover what our mission is. And we discovered that our mission is music.

Lindani: There is a movie out right now called District 9 that's a documentary about some of our relatives. [laughs]

So how tired are you guys of explaining what it's like to be a rock band from South Africa who also happen to be black?

Lindani: [laughs] Very tired. I promise you!

Mpumi: We get asked to explain our music over and over again. I think there are certain expectations of what African bands are supposed to sound like, and when you deviate from that expectation, it confuses some people. They don't know how to classify us, or how to describe our sound.

How would you describe BLK JKS sound?

Tshepang: If we were forced to pigeonhole our music, I would just call it... music.

Mpumi: We make African music. South Africa is in BLK JKS music. Johannesburg is in BLK JKS music. Where we came from impacts the way we process the world and the way we make music. For example, growing up and going to rehearsals for choirs - community choirs, church choirs - definitely impacted our approach to vocals.

How did people first respond at home?

Mpumi: I think at first there was an element of "what are these crazy guys doing?" We received a lot of curiosity at first. A lot of people who had very fixed ideas about what rock music is - and who was supposed to play it - came to see us, and when they saw what it was something new, something sincere, they were with us. It was never like "why don't you stick to rap or kwaito?" People came out and saw what these four souls were about and we received a lot of sympathy.

Tshepang: Last year we played in Soweto for the first time, in the Soweto Arts Festival. It was like a test. All of our audience before that had been very mixed [race] and very middle class. And now there we were coming to play this rock music for an audience of very particular critics. And if these gentlemen don't like you they will politely ask you to leave the stage. [laughs] But by the second song, everybody there was nodding, and by the end of the show, everyone was dancing in the rain, I assure you myself!

Molefi: Our reception is growing. More people seem to be coming into the light now with BLK JKS. No one is saying "this is bound for doom" or "why don't these crazy guys just get dayjobs" anymore.

Tshepang: After Robots is going to be a nice handshake for new people to see what we're all about.

Mpumi :We have a lot of new friends now, but you know, some friends are more welcome than others. [laughs] But we won't turn anyone away. There's a saying in South Africa "The ocean refuses no rivers."